Fly line to leader

Todd · Post by **Todd** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:53 am

dunfly wrote:Todd, if you follow your Google link you will get a ton of links, none of which are very helpful.

How would I know? I was just looking for the first opportunity to use that link.

dunfly · Post by **dunfly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:33 pm

BearsFan wrote:what the pros use

I've looked at those before, but I've been afraid to use them in saltwater. I believe the break strength is only about 10 pounds, which may be OK, I just like something a little stronger at the fly line to leader connection.

BearsFan · Post by **BearsFan** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:31 pm

I have heard lots of good things about the uni knot.

Snook712 · Post by **Snook712** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:48 pm

To form the loop in the fly line you simply taper the very end of the fly line to a point on one side. Fold it over to make a loop and super glue it down so that the taper forms a smooth transition to the fly line. I then tie a nail knot with 20# backing line over the overlap to hold in in place. I tie a perfection loop in the butt of the leader.

I use this same method of cutting the fly line at an angle and superglueing it. Instead of backing, I use the thread used for wrapping guides on a rod. The thread goes on a bobbin and then is wrapped snuggly on the fly line to cover the joint. Secure it the same way you would in wrapping a rod.

BlueCrab · Post by **BlueCrab** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:34 pm

Snook712 wrote:To form the loop in the fly line you simply taper the very end of the fly line to a point on one side. Fold it over to make a loop and super glue it down so that the taper forms a smooth transition to the fly line. I then tie a nail knot with 20# backing line over the overlap to hold in in place. I tie a perfection loop in the butt of the leader.

Word. Or is it "werd". I think I'm supposed to add an "up" in there.

Upwerd.

Lazyloop · Post by **Lazyloop** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:46 pm

Word. Or is it "werd". I think I'm supposed to add an "up" in there.

Upwerd.

would it be wrong to say that's so fly, yeah boyeeeeee

the admiral · Post by **the admiral** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:28 pm

To form a loop in the end of your fly line I use the Lefty Kreh method. Use a bobbin with #3 thread and wrap the thread once around a leg of the bobbin to add tension. Set aside a 6 inch length of thread. Fold over a couple of inches of the fly line. Start to wrap the thread around the looped line as you would starting to wrap thread on a hook to tie a fly. Then hold the looped part between your thumbs, about 1 inch apart and swing the bobbin around the loop vigorously. It will tighten down on the looped line. I swing about 30 wraps around the line. Then take the piece of thread you've set aside and fold it over the thread you've wrapped. Swing the bobbin about 15 times over the folded thread. Cut that thread about 5-6 inches from the bobbin and feed the tag end through the folded thread loop. Then just pull the two ends of the looped thread through the wrap. You've now sealed the thread under the wrap. Cut the loose ends. To test your fly line loop insert a tool or whatever into the loop and try to pull it apart. If it doesn't move you've done it correctly. The apply Goop or Pliobond to the thread. It won't part. I don't use Super Glue because it forms a very hard, stiff finish which will eventually crack right at the line juncture. This sounds a lot more complicated than it is.

waynep86 · Post by **waynep86** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:09 am

To form a loop at the end of a fly line I use Rio fly lines which come with it right from the factory. There salt lines have one on each end. Tack a look at these: http://www.rioproducts.com/

bonefishwhisperer · Post by **bonefishwhisperer** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:34 pm

I am against all loop to loop connections...they will ruin way more than they will ever help on the flats...I make everybody cut them off when fishing with me because of the limits they put on leader length and the casters ability to take a clean shot with the knots catching up on all the guides...even if you can cast them past the guides you have already taken a extra step and now are slower in the overall presentation...imagine trying to clear loop to loop connections on a 22ft leader or something similar...the fish will be totally gone by the time you even clear the knots...nail knots are quite easy to tie and I have NEVER lost a fish due to knot failure in 35yrs...as far as changing leaders out, who does that? I certainly never have...tippet is all you should ever have to change under any circumstance I can think of or ever encountered...if it requires more than tippet change I suggest another rod with a totally different setup

mudfoot · Post by **mudfoot** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:32 pm

what's your formula for the 22' leader?

rev · Post by **rev** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:45 pm

If a guide ever cut off my whipped loop, we'd be back at the dock as fast as we could get there and that would be a day the guide couldn't rebook.

We've all got our systems and BFW, you've clearly got yours and it works for you, but it ain't the only way. I use loops and they have never been the reason I blew a shot at a fish.

Bayport_Bob · Post by **Bayport_Bob** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:14 pm

I've used a method similar to this for several years...

http://www.danblanton.com/gettinglooped.html

The one I use was illustrated by an old salt named Bill Nash. He had an excellent book(let) of line/leader/tippet knot systems. I doubt any are available anymore since he died about a year ago.

I used this system for permit fishing in Belize. A pair of permit swam under my line & leader countless times without giving any of the rig a 2nd glance. The water down there is literally "gin clear". The flyline I was using was the clear Monic line, and my local guide wanted it for his outfit when I was done with the trip.

I have to agree with Rev, if a guide cut my loop off my flyline he'd be swimming back to the ramp.

waynep86 · Post by **waynep86** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:23 pm

bonefishwhisperer wrote:I make everybody cut them off when fishing with me because of the limits they put on leader length and the casters ability to take a clean shot with the knots catching up on all the guides

When do you cast your leader up through the guides? Even with a long leader I would have enugh line, not leader out of the tip so as to not have to false cast a millon times to get the fly to the fish.

BBabcock · Post by **BBabcock** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:28 pm

Apply some sunscreen. That has to hurt.

bonefishwhisperer · Post by **bonefishwhisperer** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:16 pm

rev wrote:If a guide ever cut off my whipped loop, we'd be back at the dock as fast as we could get there and that would be a day the guide couldn't rebook.

We've all got our systems and BFW, you've clearly got yours and it works for you, but it ain't the only way. I use loops and they have never been the reason I blew a shot at a fish.

learn to read before you provoke something you cant finish...at what point did I say "I" would cut off somebodys loop? you are a lot of talk with nothing to back it up...I take full payment BEFORE we fish to avoid having to kick somebodys ass upon returning...its happened before, you would not make it to your car guaranteed!!!! also, I dont take everybody that ask, I screen my clients more than they do me and I turn down as many as I take ...come to my face with your attitude and I'll fix you in a hurry....dont hide behind your computer with your big talk when it concerns me

Silverspoon · Post by **Silverspoon** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:25 pm

Paddle-Fishing.com

Fly line to leader

Creating a loop on the end of a fly line